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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:25 pm

Indiana Mayhem wrote:
Titletown Tyrants wrote:
Minnesota Eternals wrote:
Making it a mandatory item might be heavy BUT since we're all adults...wouldn't it be nice if all of us could agree to address it if someone requests an update?  Kind of like an offer (which requires a 3 day response)...if someone shoots you an email asking for an update to your trade bait, I would think we can all deliver on that.....right?

vote yes   A Gentleman's agreement, and I use that term loosely!

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:41 pm

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Doubt you're surprised. Such a rule probably only works in leagues that start that way because it essentially guarantees those who sign up are on board and have at least SOME college viewing habits.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:43 pm

Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350 seems reasonable.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:07 pm

California Nightmare wrote:
Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350 seems reasonable.


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a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
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Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350
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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:26 pm

Tarpon Springs RedKnights wrote:
California Nightmare wrote:
Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350 seems reasonable.


so·cial·ism
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noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More
Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:06 pm

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Cap warbucks. Somewhere around 350 seems reasonable.

WHY DO YOU HATE THE TT???????


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:08 pm

In the GLDL we have a cap on or version of WBs and it seems to greatly decrease their trade value. I think one offseason when Sty was still around he capped out. It seems to limit the value of a very valuable trade commodity around here.

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:48 pm

When it comes to WBs....clearly one conference spends em while the other holds onto them. I'll argue that holding em only has value to a point....and then it's pretty easy to point at is as silly and unhelpful to one's team...but whatever floats ones boat. At some point there will either be a few folks over there with an insane amount that is doing nothing OR someone will wake up and take advantage of the situation and gobble up the talent which is what actually wins a team games. Either way, it hurts nobody else so whatever. Take it a little more extreme....how fuckin dumb would it be in our setup to be coming in 6th-8th place fairly consistently while sitting on say 900WB? Or maybe I'm the one who doesn't get it? Honestly ya figure someone would do it...the only thing that has boggled my mind a bit with TT was how many did it and for how long...but again...whatever and have fun everyone.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:54 pm

Greg, what's the reason behind your suggestion about capping WBs? I don't see one but would like to understand more.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:05 pm

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Greg, what's the reason behind your suggestion about capping WBs? I don't see one but would like to understand more.

Might just be nervous some of you guys might be able to buy fictitious RW yachts. Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:10 pm

I'll settle for a fishing boat.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:11 pm

Minnesota Eternals wrote:
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Greg, what's the reason behind your suggestion about capping WBs? I don't see one but would like to understand more.

Might just be nervous some of you guys might be able to buy fictitious RW yachts.  Laughing

That was a good one Andy.


I can tell you that I set my team up to delay losing alot of talent to FA for a few years and knew I would need WBs when that day came. So I planed on being one of the highest banks for that reason. It seems that day is coming in about 7 months.... To have a cap put on it now would defeat that entire plan.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:24 pm

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In the GLDL we have a cap on or version of WBs and it seems to greatly decrease their trade value.  I think one offseason when Sty was still around he capped out.  It seems to limit the value of a very valuable trade commodity around here.

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:27 pm

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When it comes to WBs....clearly one conference spends em while the other holds onto them.  I'll argue that holding em only has value to a point....and then it's pretty easy to point at is as silly and unhelpful to one's team...but whatever floats ones boat.  At some point there will either be a few folks over there with an insane amount that is doing nothing OR someone will wake up and take advantage of the situation and gobble up the talent which is what actually wins a team games.  Either way, it hurts nobody else so whatever.  Take it a little more extreme....how fuckin dumb would it be in our setup to be coming in 6th-8th place fairly consistently while sitting on say 900WB?  Or maybe I'm the one who doesn't get it?  Honestly ya figure someone would do it...the only thing that has boggled my mind a bit with TT was how many did it and for how long...but again...whatever and have fun everyone.

That's my thought, I can see someone who is a competitor, even a favorite stockpiling WB's. But to not be very good and not spending them? They are a tool to make your team better, and just hoarding them to hoard them seems incredibly stupid this year. If I had a shitty team and I had a bunch of WB's, I would blame myself during the year.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:45 am

Seems strange to me too. Sure, hold some back if you know you have a bunch of tags to pay for next year but aside from that, they are a tool to make you better. Spend them in RFA or if there's no-one you like there, spend them in trade. Everyone is available for trade in theory.



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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:15 am

That's why I have always given TT shit but the day will come...and it'll be cool to see who really pushes their weight around and who lies down and takes it.

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:49 am

I like to hope that they keep saving and never spend. Then one day they can put their kids through RW college, or put a down payment on a RW house or something. Definitely spending them is the wrong move


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:03 am

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I like to hope that they keep saving and never spend.  Then one day they can put their kids through RW college, or put a down payment on a RW house or something. Definitely spending them is the wrong move

lol 2 I love the idea of RW college and RW houses.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:06 am

I know I'm one of those guys - and I do have a plan - but its not like I want to spell it out for y'all


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:43 am

I can't wait for the day when DD teams are getting fined because they don't have 5 war bucks to drop a player to get a valid starting lineup.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:55 am

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I can't wait for the day when DD teams are getting fined because they don't have 5 war bucks to drop a player to get a valid starting lineup.

Hopefully we won't need 385 for fines.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:33 pm

Titletown Tyrants wrote:
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I can't wait for the day when DD teams are getting fined because they don't have 5 war bucks to drop a player to get a valid starting lineup.

Hopefully we won't need 385 for fines.

I'll laugh when Connor Barth gets injured by week 4. A surprise inactive so you don't have enough time to have anyone bail you out with a trade Evil laugh


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:37 pm

Morrison Minions wrote:
Titletown Tyrants wrote:
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I can't wait for the day when DD teams are getting fined because they don't have 5 war bucks to drop a player to get a valid starting lineup.

Hopefully we won't need 385 for fines.

I'll laugh when Connor Barth gets injured by week 4. A surprise inactive so you don't have enough time to have anyone bail you out with a trade Evil laugh

Yes, I'm terrified of that. And the 8 kickers that are still sitting on the waiver wire.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:39 pm

Titletown Tyrants wrote:
Morrison Minions wrote:
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I can't wait for the day when DD teams are getting fined because they don't have 5 war bucks to drop a player to get a valid starting lineup.

Hopefully we won't need 385 for fines.

I'll laugh when Connor Barth gets injured by week 4. A surprise inactive so you don't have enough time to have anyone bail you out with a trade Evil laugh

Yes, I'm terrified of that. And the 8 kickers that are still sitting on the waiver wire.

We'll see once you have your contracts set.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:44 pm

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Greg, what's the reason behind your suggestion about capping WBs? I don't see one but would like to understand more.

Just thinking out loud Han. I wasn't looking at it as a use them or lose them. I wasn't even thinking an owner could only have a $350 balance in the bank. Maybe I should have stated "cap the yearly usage of WB's at $350." If some owner's want to bank WB's until they get to a million than so be it. For those that find the strategy of WB's are more valuable in the bank than on the board would still be able to roll them over year to year. Just thinking...and enjoying reading everyone's feelings on the subject.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:02 pm

Could possibly add the strategy of longer contracts which could add value and spike trade negotiations since noone feels a 1 year contract is worth a shit.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:20 pm

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Could possibly add the strategy of longer contracts which could add value and spike trade negotiations since noone feels a 1 year contract is worth a shit.

By longer contracts do you mean more total years? I do not think we have a current limit on max number of years of one contract.

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:26 pm

A newsletter with a brief (under 10 words) summary of what has happened each week. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:26 pm

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A newsletter with a brief (under 10 words) summary of what has happened each week.  Laughing  

troll

Let me take a crack at something like that...

"This week some shit went on and you weren't here you fuck"

Well that didn't work..I totally went 12 words...I'm such a wordy cunt.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:28 am

A rule that I hate is the penalty free drop for free agents. But as long as so many of you like it, I'll just recommend ways to improve it.

I believe we should have some sort of committee for this. Someone like Stedman Bailey should be a penalty free drop under this situation, but MFL sucks and has him still listed on the Rams. A team can submit a request to this committee to have a penalty free drop on a player, and the committee will reply within 24 hours.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:07 pm

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A rule that I hate is the penalty free drop for free agents. But as long as so many of you like it, I'll just recommend ways to improve it.

I believe we should have some sort of committee for this. Someone like Stedman Bailey should be a penalty free drop under this situation, but MFL sucks and has him still listed on the Rams. A team can submit a request to this committee to have a penalty free drop on a player, and the committee will reply within 24 hours.

Two key things I like about it:
1. When the email goes out that a team has dropped a player, if it says that player is a FREE AGENT I know I can just delete the email (unless of course the player is on the thread tracked for being added as a FREE AGENT)

2. From past experiences, while I understand the whole "there is a price to pay for doling out bad contracts" argument I just felt the league as a whole was a bit more stale because collectively we were toting around X number of dead corpses and it drove me batty. You may have signed Jimmy Clausen to a 7 year deal and that's your funeral but my eyeballs and scrolling finger are paying for that decision FOR 6+ FUCKIN YEARS!!!!! lol3



As for the status of players like Bailey...am I wrong but if someone sends MFL an email don't they update on request? Thought they did.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:09 pm

I agree. Justin Blackmon is another one that could go to the committee.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:09 pm

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I agree. Justin Blackmon is another one that could go to the committee.


Completely agree on that one.  It's even worse when someone else drafted Blackmon and you're riding out the rest of his contract.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:19 pm

I am not necessarily against a committee like that but I'm big on clear rules....so....if you guys want to cobble together a proposal for me to bring up in January then please do....but just realize that you need to remove any concern that the committee would play favorites or be judging two very similar situations differently. I'm sure you get my drift.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:42 pm

The MFL delay on processing FA is annoying. We've all been bit by it. I think the committee thing for that is ok. It should be pretty easy to see that MFL is just late/sucks.
Blackmon is still under contract so not an FA so I don't see a reason for allowing a free drop there.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:04 pm

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The MFL delay on processing FA is annoying. We've all been bit by it. I think the committee thing for that is ok. It should be pretty easy to see that MFL is just late/sucks.
Blackmon is still under contract so not an FA so I don't see a reason for allowing a free drop there.

Maybe a sensible way to go would be....if the official team web site (in this case Jacksonville) shows the player on Roster (even Reserved/Retired/Suspended/ETC) then they ARE NOT a free drop.......but if the player is no longer recognized by the teams website (verified by our new committee) then they could be granted a free release even if MFL is lagging on it?

I'm just hoping for something nice and clean like that anyway.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:08 pm

I don't mind either way, but the way it is, is just black and white. I have to hold on to Stedman Bailey. It is what it is. Sucks in some cases, but most owners have situations like that I would imagine. I am fine with the committee approach as well, really doesn't matter.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:18 pm

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I don't mind either way, but the way it is, is just black and white. I have to hold on to Stedman Bailey. It is what it is. Sucks in some cases, but most owners have situations like that I would imagine. I am fine with the committee approach as well, really doesn't matter.
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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:32 pm

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Titletown Tyrants wrote:
I don't mind either way, but the way it is, is just black and white. I have to hold on to Stedman Bailey. It is what it is. Sucks in some cases, but most owners have situations like that I would imagine. I am fine with the committee approach as well, really doesn't matter.
that's the way I like it


Me too. Simple. Sometimes annoying but not a huge deal.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:36 pm

They're also pretty quick if you submit a Ticket if a player isn't listed as a FA. I like the simplicity too. Everyone's been burned by it before, so it's not an advantage or anything


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:20 pm

I think the rule works fine as is. As several have said, submit a ticket if a dropped player is still showing as rostered. I did that a couple of weeks ago with Stephen Tulloch (another league) and he was listed as a FA that night.

I agree that cases like Bailey are awkward but he's still on their roster as a reserve / non football injury designation. I assume he's never playing again but the Rams need to drop him if that's the case.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:58 pm

Another angle would be to put a games played stipulation into effect. If a player (Justin Blackmon or Daryl Washington) has not been active for an NFL game over the past 18 weeks (just throwing that number out there), then a free drop could be allowed.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:27 pm

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Another angle would be to put a games played stipulation into effect. If a player (Justin Blackmon or Daryl Washington) has not been active for an NFL game over the past 18 weeks (just throwing that number out there), then a free drop could be allowed.

Fairly simple but that's the sort of thing I hate (if I have to admin the shit) because I don't want to go look that up AND depending how you term that exactly, being ACTIVE as you say...then wouldn't one need to not only look at a players weekly point output but also confirm they were INACTIVE and just a worthless pile of bench shit or that they didn't get hurt on the first play resulting in a 0 score despite being active.

Is it funny that my candyass is spouting off about keeping shit simple yet here we are...at fucking Roster Wars which is hardly "simple". mock


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:40 pm

Yeh, the tracker was running through my head as I was typing that shit. I just did a search for players gameday status and came up dissapointed. vote no NFL.com has a status tracker but Washington wasn't listed on it for week 1 of last year so there goes that.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:23 pm

Not sure if this is even an option, but when I used to play over at ESPN they had a feature where you could go and select players on other teams that you were interested in and the other owner(s) could see it. So at any time I could go and see if anyone was interested in Calvin at the moment.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:30 pm

Norfolk Bombers wrote:
Not sure if this is even an option, but when  I used to play over at ESPN they had a feature where you could go and select players on other teams that you were interested in and the other owner(s) could see it.  So at any time I could go and see if anyone was interested in Calvin at the moment.

If that is a feature that is allowed on MFL I would love to hear it. That would be freaking awesome.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:53 pm

ESPN still has that feature.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:03 pm

I had someone try that in a message board post on MFL.  It sounds great in theory but it's hard enough to get most people to put up a trade bait with who they want to sell.  Having people actually put down who they are interested in is almost impossible in most leagues.

This isn't most leagues.  But I think that, by the time you put down who you want, you might as well just make an offer.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:32 pm

I'm against the player hasn't been active in X weeks is a free drop. Too hard to administer.

I actually wish there were no free drops at all. You signed the player, you "pay" the player. Simple and no worrying about MFL slowness.


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PostSubject: Re: How could Roster Wars be better?   Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:13 pm

San Francisco Golddiggers wrote:
I actually wish there were no free drops at all. You signed the player, you "pay" the player. Simple and no worrying about MFL slowness.

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