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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:16 pm

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Interesting that they have stiffened the penalty for domestic violence and not lessened substance abuse. Correct on both counts for me.

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Personal conduct is at Goodell discretion while substance abuse is collectively bargained so they can't unilaterally change that

Thanks Ian - hadn't thought about that. cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:27 pm

I hope (and assume) this has them examining their stance on other criminal offenses to avoid grey areas in the future.

I was happy to see the verbage "all personnel" as opposed to "all players" because one set of standards for everyone employed by the NFL is the best way to go.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:32 pm

Gotta give them credit for making this right


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:18 am

Here's what a 2 game suspension looks like:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/

The cops had the video all along. Special treatment prevails. Hurray!


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:19 am

Looks like he got more than one hit in to me. One as she turned, one as she advanced.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:37 am

Wow. Getting to see it I take back what I said about this particular case...she wasn't do anything to warrant that even if some chicks do go too far. That is flat out weak by Rice...now I am really curious what they said to Goodell that got him off so light.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:14 am

Zero new information has arisen with this. If the NFL "re-opens" the case to try and weasel out of their scumbag move with the original punishment, it's preposterous. All we see is what we already knew happened. And the hotel staff says the NFL had access to this video all along, despite what the NFL is trying to assert.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:16 am

I agree with Shack. This video getting out won't change anything. They already revised the rules on domestic violence suspensions. They won't be doing anything else.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:54 am

I agree that the NFL can't really do anything but just read on rotoworld that there are rumours the Ravens might cut him. I guess it may depend if they want to have a chance of winning this season weighed against public outcry.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:58 pm

Personally, I think this video really helps Josh Gordon's case of possibly being reinstated at some point this season.  The NFL has even more egg on it's face now and may feel compelled to pass these new rules with the NFLPA and somewhat 'right a wrong' with Gordon/Welker's suspension.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:20 pm

I think you're nuts.

I do think the Ravens might cut him though.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:21 pm

Twitter says cut.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Doing shit because of public outcry is so weak. Fuck the public.

I could give a shit less if they cut him but doing it because a bunch of people insinuated you should is so "middle school"


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:42 pm

Well if you want to believe what they said they had never seen this video before today. Who knows if that's the truth or not. Jim Harbaugh had said that he'd never have a woman beater on his team so I'm sure that John has similar sentiments.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:46 pm

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Doing shit because of public outcry is so weak.  Fuck the public.  

I could give a shit less if they cut him but doing it because a bunch of people insinuated you should is so "middle school"

It's not middle school when you are running a multi-billion dollar industry.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:48 pm

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Doing shit because of public outcry is so weak.  Fuck the public.  

I could give a shit less if they cut him but doing it because a bunch of people insinuated you should is so "middle school"

It's not middle school when you are running a multi-billion dollar industry.

True that. PR is all important.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:54 pm

Do you think they still would have cut him if he was a pro-bowler?


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:56 pm

Although I do find the hypocrisy of allowing a guy like Leonard Little can drive drunk, kill a girl in a car crash, never spend a day in jail and then play again in the NFL.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:57 pm

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Do you think they still would have cut him if he was a pro-bowler?

I'd probably say yes. I mean the outrage is major, plus the Ravens have no one at HB right now. Ray Rice is heads and shoulders above who else they have. So to the Ravens, Rice is a pro-bowler.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:03 pm

Sorry Jon - If you didn't own Cooks I would feel bad about the Rice trade mock


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:12 pm

To me it makes the Ravens look like a joke to cut the guy at this point... Seeing video of what happened, which everyone already knew, shouldn't have changed anything at this point. He knocked her out! Of course he hit her fucking hard to accomplish that! People are fucking retarded, did they think it wasn't so bad just because they didn't see video of the actual incident?!

And then the NFL goes ahead and tacks on an indefinite suspension after he was cut, that is just as lame by the NFL! They already blew it by giving him a two game suspension, they shouldn't get to retroactively make up for their initial mistake just because now they see the video and they want to save face over the whole fiasco.

I don't own Rice, so I could care less about whether he plays or not, I just find the delayed reaction of this whole thing to be a ridiculous fail by the Ravens and the NFL.... Epic fail...


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:24 pm

I don't know if you remember how it was originally presented but it went something like this.

Ray Rice and his girl went into an elevator in a casino and both of them were drunk. Supposedly she was out of control and spitting at him and attacked him. He hit her back, once, and she fell and hit her head on the railing in the elevator and that was how she was knocked out.

Yup Rice is a scumbag in the above scenario but they were both idiots. In this video I can see Rice spit on her twice, she swipes at him and then he hits her upside the head. Then she comes at him and he full on clocks her in the side of the head. I don't care what the fuck she was saying to him she did nothing that would remotely warrant any kind of physical retaliation.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:55 pm

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Sorry Jon - If you didn't own Cooks I would feel bad about the Rice trade mock

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S'no problem. I have made more than my share of bad trades around here! It was good value at the time. Now, a late 2nd for a guy who's never gonna play a snap for me maybe looks not quite so good...

But I don't feel too bad. You drafted Jace Amaro with that pick... poking


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:06 pm

I don't care what the scenario supposedly was, I never subscribed to the whole "perhaps she was asking for it" defense. In my book there is no scenario where knocking a woman out is acceptable and I think he should have received a harsher penalty all along.

It is my understanding that the police had this video all along and it should have been available to both the Ravens and the NFL in order to make a proper judgement. I think it is a joke that now because there is video made public that is "more shocking" that the Ravens and the NFL come back and throw the book at him. In doing so they undermine their credibility and seem to be saying there are certain situations in which beating your woman is more acceptable that others, mainly depending on whether the public sees video evidence or not...


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:25 pm

I think it's bullshit for the NFL or the Ravens to claim that they never saw the video. Bull-fucking-shit. I even remember that there was a story out there that the police had a video showing Rice knocking her out but they weren't releasing it to the public. A matter of fact, I made a post on 2/23 stating just that; here's a cut/paste:

Subject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Why are the police withholding the video that shows him coldcocking this chick for so long? Eventually it will be made public, but if it were any other non-celebrity person, it would be available by now. Once that video comes out, Ray-Ray is going to be in big trouble.


Everyone knew that video existed. Is the NFL really attempting to tell me that they rendered a decision without demanding to see the video? That's just fucking bullshit. That's the reason why there was intense outrage over the BS 2 game decision. Because everyone knew this video existed. The NFL finally got the call right, but they look even dumber now.



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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:39 pm

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I think it's bullshit for the NFL or the Ravens to claim that they never saw the video.  Bull-fucking-shit.  I even remember that there was a story out there that the police had a video showing Rice knocking her out but they weren't releasing it to the public.  A matter of fact, I made a post on 2/23 stating just that; here's a cut/paste:

Subject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Why are the police withholding the video that shows him coldcocking this chick for so long?  Eventually it will be made public, but if it were any other non-celebrity person, it would be available by now.  Once that video comes out, Ray-Ray is going to be in big trouble.


Everyone knew that video existed.  Is the NFL really attempting to tell me that they rendered a decision without demanding to see the video?  That's just fucking bullshit.  That's the reason why there was intense outrage over the BS 2 game decision.  Because everyone knew this video existed.  The NFL finally got the call right, but they look even dumber now.


I agree with this, it's basically what I have been saying, this makes the Ravens and the NFL look like even bigger jokes than they already did in how this case was handled from the beginning...


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:24 pm

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I think it's bullshit for the NFL or the Ravens to claim that they never saw the video.  Bull-fucking-shit.  I even remember that there was a story out there that the police had a video showing Rice knocking her out but they weren't releasing it to the public.  A matter of fact, I made a post on 2/23 stating just that; here's a cut/paste:

Subject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:22 pm
Why are the police withholding the video that shows him coldcocking this chick for so long?  Eventually it will be made public, but if it were any other non-celebrity person, it would be available by now.  Once that video comes out, Ray-Ray is going to be in big trouble.


Everyone knew that video existed.  Is the NFL really attempting to tell me that they rendered a decision without demanding to see the video?  That's just fucking bullshit.  That's the reason why there was intense outrage over the BS 2 game decision.  Because everyone knew this video existed.  The NFL finally got the call right, but they look even dumber now.


This is spot on about the NFL not seeing the video. That have highly paid investigators whose job it is to find videos like this ( to protect the shield). I am guessing they thought the hotel would protect the video from the public, but once the hotel closed the video became fair game...

Wondering what is next for Rice and his wife?


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:27 pm

I just saw across the bottom of ESPN that the Ravens haveb terminated his Contract and the NFL has now suspended him indefinitely.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:29 pm

Sorry, missed that it was already reported.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:38 pm

So my wife weighed in on the subject:

So the NFL already punished the guy and now they're punishing him again? For the same thing? And she didn't press any charges or anything and they're married now? Why is everyone making such a big deal out of it? He shouldn't have hit her but she could have been saying some really nasty shit. They were drunk. If she decided it wasn't worth tearing their lives apart why does the NFL feel the need to? By taking away his livelihood aren't they hurting her as much as they're hurting him?


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:43 pm

Everyone gets it right in the end. No way anyone can prove right now that the Ravens, or the NFL knew this existed. They very well may not have. There was a plea deal put in place, it may not have ever been considered "Public Record" and sealed. I haven't had a chance to look, but where did it surface from? It very well may be that somehow, someone got their hands on it and decided it was easy money.

Don't see how this changes anything other than they all got it right i the end. It also has NOTHING to do with Josh Gordon.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:12 pm

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Doing shit because of public outcry is so weak.  Fuck the public.  

I could give a shit less if they cut him but doing it because a bunch of people insinuated you should is so "middle school"

It's not middle school when you are running a multi-billion dollar industry.

If I were running that team, he wouldn't have been released TODAY....so if that were true.....what would happen? What could the semi-retarded public do that I would give a fuck about?

Not buy tickets? I assure you people would still come.

Play well and people move on as soon as some other shit comes along to act pissed about.

If I were the team or the NFL and I saw that tape originally....yes I would have doled out a punishment more severe than he got. I wouldn't do what they're doing now.

Oh well. Don't care about any of these people and I am sure they will go off into the sunset and live horribly retarded lives.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:20 pm

Minnesota Eternals wrote:
Doing shit because of public outcry is so weak.  Fuck the public.  

I could give a shit less if they cut him but doing it because a bunch of people insinuated you should is so "middle school"

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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:40 pm

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Well if you want to believe what they said they had never seen this video before today.  Who knows if that's the truth or not.

Yeah, I'm not as quick as some others to assume that the NFL and Ravens saw this tape, and are only now acting differently because the public has seen it. I don't think Goodell is foolish enough to bank on the video never coming out.

Plus, if Goodell saw what happened, does anyone here think that he would really only give Rice two games? I know people, especially come here, love to talk shit about how hypocritical/stupid/corrupt the NFL is (which makes me laugh since you're all addicted to it) but isn't the criticism of Goodell usually that he's too punitive? What reason does he have to cut Rice a break? Especially when he has to know he's going to take a PR hit for it?

I mean, who the shit is Ray Rice? A pretty good RB who is past his prime on a team that nobody really cares about. This isn't Andrew Luck. Is Ray Rice so vital to the NFL that Goodell is going to slap him on the wrist for knocking out his fiance?

And put Goodell aside for a moment. How about the team? Harbaugh? At least Goodell punished Rice and issued a statement lecturing him and warning him that it better not happen again. Harbaugh got in front of a microphone and talked about what a great guy "Ray" is, and how he "made a mistake." Obviously the Ravens have more of an incentive to keep Rice around than does the NFL, but is it really necessary for Harbaugh to go out there and stick up for him? Do you think he would do that after seeing that video?

Doesn't make sense to me. Personally, and obviously this is just my opinion/interpretation, I think Goodell/Ravens didn't have the video, and Rice and his fiance/wife made up a story jam-packed with mitigating circumstances. Obviously she didn't want to leave him (hell, she married him 20 minutes after she woke up just about), and it does neither of them any good if Rice loses his pay check. I'm sure she loves him (probably). So she agreed to some different version of events, where it was her fault, and it was an accident, or maybe she said she was attacking him, and Rice pushed her to defend himself, and she fell and smacked her head against something...I don't know. Something that makes hitting your fiance as least bad as it possibly can be.


Maybe I'm naive, but I find it very difficult to believe that Ray Rice marched into Gooddell's office and said "Yeah, well, what happened is I spit on her, then she called me an and tried to slap me, so I hit her in the face TWICE, hard enough that she got knocked out."

And then Roger Goodell was like "Well I'm basically Satan, and I need to get back to persecuting people for having minimal levels of a quasi-legal drug in their system, so how's two games sound?"

Just don't buy it.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:13 am

I don't know man. They walked into an elevator together and when it opened she was unconscious and he was dragging her lifeless body out of the elevator. The NFL isn't stupid, so WTF do they think happened? The police said that he knocked her out. He was indicted by a grand jury based upon the police's argument (the grand jury certainly saw the video). They were in a casino. There are cameras everywhere in any casino in the entire country. Did the NFL never ask to see the tape? They knew the police had it, they knew a tape existed, but they never asked? Come on. No way.

This is worse than the NFL just having egg on their face. They practically marched Janay out to the press after the incident and had her make a statement "apologizing for her part in the incident". What?! She is apologizing? GTFO. So when they came down with only 2 games, after all the evidence, that is why there was outrage. The outrage isn't new. It's only new because now the video has been leaked to the public, whereas only the police, the grand jury had seen it.

I just refuse to believe that the NFL never saw it. If they actually didn't see it, then they didn't want to see it on purpose in order to claim plausible deniability. And if that is the case, then the NFL has done an even worse injustice than one can possibly imagine.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:25 am

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I don't know man.  They walked into an elevator together and when it opened she was unconscious and he was dragging her lifeless body out of the elevator.  The NFL isn't stupid, so WTF do they think happened?  The police said that he knocked her out.  He was indicted by a grand jury based upon the police's argument (the grand jury certainly saw the video).  They were in a casino.  There are cameras everywhere in any casino in the entire country.  Did the NFL never ask to see the tape?  They knew the police had it, they knew a tape existed, but they never asked?  Come on.  No way.

Is it a normal practice for an employer to get access to security footage of one of their employees doing something illegal? That seems odd to me. I forget when the suspension came down, was it after Rice took the pre-trial program thing? Maybe it was an open investigation? I don't know.

Look, I'm not ruling it out. I'm just talking about what I personally believe to be more likely.

A) For whatever reason, the NFL did not get access to that tape. Rice/fiance gave a "favorable" account of what happened (favorable to Rice), and Goodell looked him in the eye, and bought it. As did the Ravens/Harbaugh.

B) The NFL/Ravens saw the tape, and despite seeing it, Goodell still felt that 2 games was fine, and Harbaugh was still happy to go in front of the media and talk about what a great guy Ray Rice is.

To me, B just seems really unlikely. With all of the players Goodell has skewered over various infractions, I just don't understand why he would feel compelled to give this particular player a break for this particular offense, especially after watching that video.

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This is worse than the NFL just having egg on their face.  They practically marched Janay out to the press after the incident and had her make a statement "apologizing for her part in the incident".  What?!  She is apologizing?  GTFO.  So when they came down with only 2 games, after all the evidence, that is why there was outrage.  The outrage isn't new.  It's only new because now the video has been leaked to the public, whereas only the police, the grand jury had seen it.  

See, I put that really awkward press conference on Rice and his wife (I'm assuming Janay is her name? I have no idea). That's the part that makes me think it was a concerted effort by the two of them to try and keep Rice's career from nose-diving. They're married now. He had millions on the line. From that point of view, I can see why she'd cooperate with him. Otherwise, I'm not sure what would possess a woman who'd been hit like that to go on TV and apologize for her actions.

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I just refuse to believe that the NFL never saw it.  If they actually didn't see it, then they didn't want to see it on purpose in order to claim plausible deniability.  And if that is the case, then the NFL has done an even worse injustice than one can possibly imagine.

You're right, if they saw this video and decided to take it easy on Rice and make an effort to put on a press conference/comments from his coach to say what a great guy he is, that's definitely despicable. This is what makes it so hard for me to believe Goodell would do it. I'll ask again, maybe you can help me - why would Goodell stick his neck out there to give Ray Rice a break? The guy clearly has no problem coming down hard on players, and even though at times he's misguided, I believe it's because he's very cautious about the brand. Why all of the sudden do we think he's into covering up video tapes and propping up a wife-beater?

If it was Andrew Luck or some guy who was going to be the face of the league for the next 10 years, or even the past 10 years (Peyton/Brady) I could see it. A guy like that hitting his wife would put a cloud over the entire NFL in my opinion. But Ray Rice? Not nearly on that level, IMO. Which is why I don't think anyone would go out of their way to help him. Not for something like this, not when everyone knows there's a video out there.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:39 am

So.. divorce predictions anyone? eating popcorn


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:41 am

I wonder if there is a prenup... thinking they rushed into getting married - wouldnt be surprised if sorry ray you lose the rest of your contract and half of what you did get!


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:02 am

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I wonder if there is a prenup...  thinking   they rushed into getting married - wouldnt be surprised if sorry ray you lose the rest of your contract and half of what you did get!

She did him a pretty huge favor with how she handled this, I doubt Ray was in much of a position to negotiate a pre-nup that was that beneficial to him.

But no, I don't think they will divorce. I think it must be true love.






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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:16 am

I can't tell you why the NFL wouldn't want to see it. I do know that if they wanted to see it they could have demanded to see it. They could have made a motion in court to see it as it's public evidence. The NFL is VERY powerful.

How about this story by Harvey Levin of TMZ:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/08/harvey-levin-says-tmz-will-reveal-more-on-how-nfl-handled-ray-rice-case/

That is very interesting. Here's a snippet:

“When you wake up [Tuesday] and go to our web site, you will see what the NFL didn’t do,” Levin said in a Fox DC interview. “I have gotten conflicting stories on this, and we have some people saying [the league] saw this, but I now believe they actually turned a blind eye to it, and it’s a shameful story. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed. They knew that this casino had surveillance video. I know they knew that, and we will explain later why we know they knew that, but they did — and they didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

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This story seems to follow everything that I have been saying. And let me also go out on a ledge and say this. If it can be proved that the NFL actually saw the video and gave Rice only a 2 game ban or if TMZ can prove that the NFL purposely refused to see the video, this story may actually force Roger Goddell to resign.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:14 am

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I can't tell you why the NFL wouldn't want to see it.  I do know that if they wanted to see it they could have demanded to see it.  They could have made a motion in court to see it as it's public evidence.  The NFL is VERY powerful.

How about this story by Harvey Levin of TMZ:  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/08/harvey-levin-says-tmz-will-reveal-more-on-how-nfl-handled-ray-rice-case/

That is very interesting.  Here's a snippet:

“When you wake up [Tuesday] and go to our web site, you will see what the NFL didn’t do,” Levin said in a Fox DC interview. “I have gotten conflicting stories on this, and we have some people saying [the league] saw this, but I now believe they actually turned a blind eye to it, and it’s a shameful story. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed. They knew that this casino had surveillance video. I know they knew that, and we will explain later why we know they knew that, but they did — and they didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

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This story seems to follow everything that I have been saying.  And let me also go out on a ledge and say this.  If it can be proved that the NFL actually saw the video and gave Rice only a 2 game ban or if TMZ can prove that the NFL purposely refused to see the video, this story may actually force Roger Goddell to resign.

No, actually I don't believe it is. I'm not going to down very far this road with you, but you have not been saying that the NFL did not want to see it - you said that you did not believe that they hadn't seen it.

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I think it's bullshit for the NFL or the Ravens to claim that they never saw the video. Bull-fucking-shit.

Everyone knew that video existed. Is the NFL really attempting to tell me that they rendered a decision without demanding to see the video? That's just fucking bullshit.

I do not believe that Goodell had seen the video before yesterday because I do not believe that he would have watched that video, and cut Rice a break. As to why he hadn't seen it, I don't know, but I agree that he certainly could have, and should have. As I said before, I think he just swallowed Rice/Rice's wife's story. As did the Ravens. He was lied to and he fell for it in my opinion. I'm not even sure we disagree. It seems like we don't.

Disturbingly, it also appears that I agree with Mike Florio:

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I believe that the NFL didn’t see the Ray Rice video before imposing a two-game suspension on him. But I can’t believe that the league didn’t see it.

When the question of whether the league saw the video first crystallized in August, PFT reported that the league had indeed not seen the video. Previously, many assumed that the league had seen the video. The notion that the NFL, with its vast resources and connections, couldn’t or wouldn’t have obtained the video before passing judgment on Rice flew in the face of anything and everything perceived and believed about the league’s in-house justice system.

The best evidence that the NFL hadn’t seen the video comes from the fact that the league suspended Rice for only two games. Surely, the punishment would have been far more swift and far more severe if Commissioner Roger Goodell had seen the video as part of his review of the case.

But Goodell should have seen the video. He didn’t, because those responsible for getting the video failed to do so.

The Ravens fumbled the ball in the first instance. With $25 million invested in the player over two seasons and the entire organization wired to believe the version of the events shared by Rice and his wife, someone with a law degree should have said, “Video of what happened in the elevator exists, Ray’s lawyer in the criminal case surely has it, and we should insist that Ray produce it.”

Instead, the Ravens accepted at face value characterizes of what happened. Characterizations that ultimately were incorrect. Whispers emerged of extreme provocation from Janay Palmer Rice, culminating in the then-future Mrs. Rice spitting in Ray’s face. In the aftermath of the Rice punishment, weeks after the suspension had been resolved, one member of the Ravens organization privately advised caution when describing the contact from Ray to Janay as a punch.

Maybe that person meant to say that caution should be exercised when describing it only as a punch.

It’s no surprise that the Ravens bought Rice’s story. They wanted to believe him. They needed to believe him. And with Janay Palmer Rice apparently supporting his version of the events (in part by apologizing at a press conference for her role in the situation) and prosecutors allowing (inexplicably, in hindsight) Rice to enter a diversionary program, the Ravens opted to give Rice, otherwise a model citizen, the benefit of the doubt.

But that’s when someone with the education and experience and an understanding of the criminal justice system should have explained to the folks in the organization without those skills and abilities: (1) the importance of corroborating Rice’s version by watching the tape; and (2) the ease with which the tape could have been gotten.

Rice’s criminal defense lawyer had the tape. He was entitled to the tape as part of the discovery process in the criminal prosecution. Rice, by virtue of the fact that the lawyer works ultimately for Rice, needed only to direct the lawyer to forward the tape to Rice, so that he could in turn give it to the Ravens.

It possible that Rice or his lawyer would have resisted. And that’s where the Ravens had to be willing to say to Rice, “Ray, you’re not putting on a helmet until we see the tape.”

The NFL compounded the error by not engaging in a similar analysis. Undoubtedly influenced by the prosecution’s willingness to give Rice the rough equivalent of a pass and by the team’s convenient and self-serving acceptance of his version of the events, the NFL opted not to insist on seeing the tape.

How could the league office not have been curious about viewing a piece of video that was destined to be leaked? Assuming that such basic curiosity existed, how did the league not realize that, despite the lack of subpoena power or similar authority to obtain the tape, they needed to simply go to the man whose lawyer already had the tape?

In some respects, Rice’s failure to volunteer the tape to the team or the league justifies the predicament he now faces. He opted for a don’t ask/don’t tell approach regarding the tape, embellishing the facts at best and lying about them at worst. While the league has yet to explain that Rice hasn’t been punished a second time for the assault but a first time for essentially obstructing justice by not telling the truth about the incident, that’s the logical conclusion to draw from Monday’s events.

So, no, the NFL didn’t see the tape. And, yes, the NFL definitely should have. If the league had, plenty of criticism could have and would have been avoided.

At a time when the Commissioner is facing tough questions about whether he saw the tape before today, he needs to be asking some tough questions regarding why he didn’t.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:27 am

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I can't tell you why the NFL wouldn't want to see it.  I do know that if they wanted to see it they could have demanded to see it.  They could have made a motion in court to see it as it's public evidence.  The NFL is VERY powerful.

How about this story by Harvey Levin of TMZ:  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/08/harvey-levin-says-tmz-will-reveal-more-on-how-nfl-handled-ray-rice-case/

That is very interesting.  Here's a snippet:

“When you wake up [Tuesday] and go to our web site, you will see what the NFL didn’t do,” Levin said in a Fox DC interview. “I have gotten conflicting stories on this, and we have some people saying [the league] saw this, but I now believe they actually turned a blind eye to it, and it’s a shameful story. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed. They knew that this casino had surveillance video. I know they knew that, and we will explain later why we know they knew that, but they did — and they didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

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This story seems to follow everything that I have been saying.  And let me also go out on a ledge and say this.  If it can be proved that the NFL actually saw the video and gave Rice only a 2 game ban or if TMZ can prove that the NFL purposely refused to see the video, this story may actually force Roger Goddell to resign.

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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:52 am

Don't roll your eyes man. This story is huge.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:14 am

I won't roll my eyes, I think this might be a pretty loud footprint on Goodell's legacy, but I don't think it will force him out of office. In fact I don't believe anyone will be talking about this in 48 hours.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:17 am

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I won't roll my eyes, I think this might be a pretty loud footprint on Goodell's legacy, but I don't think it will force him out of office. In fact I don't believe anyone will be talking about this in 48 hours.

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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:11 pm

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if TMZ can prove that the NFL purposely refused to see the video, this story may actually force Roger Goddell to resign.

Best fucking news I heard yet. Guy is a douche IMO. He makes even Bettman look good.
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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:16 pm

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NEW YORK—Following public outcry over his mishandling of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice’s aggravated assault of his then-fiancée, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday that the league has adopted a new zero-tolerance policy toward all videotaped domestic abuse. “We hold our players to the highest standards both as professional athletes and as people, so any violence toward women that is recorded, authenticated, and then publicly distributed will be met with an automatic suspension and fine,” said Goodell, adding that the new, stricter guidelines reflect the league’s hard-line stance against any spousal abuse that is clearly and irrefutably captured on film. “I can assure you that any member of this league who strikes a woman in front of a live camera will face swift and heavy consequences. I also want to stress that this utterly reprehensible behavior is something we will in no way tolerate as long as the footage is completely uninterrupted and the entirety of the assault takes place within frame.” Goodell went on to clarify that in such cases, the NFL will cooperate fully with local authorities as soon as the league can no longer prevent incriminating evidence from being leaked to the media.

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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:33 pm

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Don't roll your eyes man.  This story is huge.  

I have no respect for anyone that caves because of "public outcry". If I owned the Ravens, Ray Rice would still be on the team and I would drop ticket prices by $10 and then stand out front and watch all the "enraged retards" fill up my stadium anyway. If I felt the need to drop him I would wait and do so when it clearly is not due to the mentally handicapped public. What's next? Mobs with torches demanding you start one player over another? My team...fuck off!

As for Goodell...never understood why everyone hates him...he is paid to do the job he is doing. Guy has made mistakes but almost anyone would in that position...maybe not on this exact situation but shit happens. I think it was a weak move to punish Rice again for the same reason the Ravens are weak but whatever.

Ray Rice should be in jail. Our "system" is a known joke thus he is not in jail. Why no retard rage over that? Nope...we're more up our own asses and worried about what a team and commissioner are doing about it. People are fuckin horrific.

TMZ should be destroyed by our military. Fuckin abomination.


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:44 pm

Someone needs to pray for Andy. ROTFLMAO


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PostSubject: Re: Ray Rice RB FA   Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:32 pm

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Someone needs to pray for Andy.  ROTFLMAO

I did and this was what I was told....



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