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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:36 am

I'm aware of the bee problem we have, and I am all for other people that aren't me doing things to help problems. vote yes


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:49 am

cheers to both of you! I'd love to have a mini orchard one day.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:04 pm

So I forgot to update this thread (Thanks English!)

Last week I ordered TWO packages of bees (packages contain 3lbs of bees and a queen. 3lbs is about 10,000 bees.) I ordered from a nice little apiary in Georgia. I got Carniolan honeybees!



I'm going to keep a running total of everything I invest into this hobby and see how long it takes me to break even (if I ever do.)

Honeybees (plus shipping) - $231.27.

I'll admit my initial cost estimates were way-the-fuck out of line. I estimated roughly $1,000 to get two hives up and running (bees, hives, suits, tools, everything.) Now it's looking like it will be closer to $1,500. The bees were far more expensive than I had thought they would be. On top of that there is way more that I needed to buy than I thought I did.

Four Hive Bodies (Brood Boxes)
Eight Medium Honey Supers
Forty Deep Frames
Forty Deep Frame Foundations
Eighty Medium Frames
Eighty Medium Foundations
Two Foundations
Two Screened Bottom Boards
Two Entrance Reducers
Two Queen Excluders
Two Covers
Two Feeders
Two Mouse Barriers
Two Bee Suits
A Smoker
Smoker Fuel
Two Hive Tools
Bee Brush
Uncapper
Anti Fungals for the bees
Bee Pest Treatment Chemicals
Sticky Boards For Pests
A Frame Perch
Pollen Patties
Two Pairs of Gloves

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So the issue is that it's cheaper to buy everything at once. I shouldn't need the Supers this year ($320) or the pest and fungal treatments ($55.) I also need to buy two suits and two gloves and two tools so my wife can come out and help as well ($100.)

What isn't included above is an extractor (to help get the honey out of the frames) and any supplies for processing the honey or wax. That will probably run me another $500. Since I don't expect to get ANY honey next year, since the first year is a building year, I'm holding off on those purchases until 2016. Now that I'm writing about it I can probably wait on the uncapper then and just get four supers for now.



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:10 pm

Just buy it all and get it done.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:31 pm

you are crazy


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:59 pm

I still can't believe that your wife wanted you to get her equipment too. Unless it's some sort of sick bedroom outfit, then I totally approve


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:10 pm

What's hard to believe?! Would you rather go out without the equipment and get stung? I mean, to each his own, but we at least don't want to be full of bee venom and pain. Fucking weirdo.

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:34 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
What's hard to believe?!  Would you rather go out without the equipment and get stung?  I mean, to each his own, but we at least don't want to be full of bee venom and pain.  Fucking weirdo.  

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I can't believe there's two insane people in one house that want to go out and beekeep. Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:39 pm

I'm inspired. I'm now tempted to start keeping pets that might sting me to death. Scorpions I think. I'll start a thread. I imagine it's considerably cheaper than bee keeping. Anyone know if they make honey too?

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:12 pm

England Dragons wrote:
I'm inspired. I'm now tempted to start keeping pets that might sting me to death. Scorpions I think. I'll start a thread. I imagine it's considerably cheaper than bee keeping. Anyone know if they make honey too?

:dry:

Unless you're getting stung 1,500 times (or you're allergic) you're at no risk of death. That 1,500 assumes you're 150lbs.

I think you'll be alright there English. Unless you really, really fuck up. Like flip the hive over pull the frames out, lay them out in a sheet and barrel rolled across them a few times.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:30 pm

laughing

So you're saying they could sting you to death then...?

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:36 pm

I want your wife to film you doing this...and then I want you to do a Roster Wars show live from on the scene.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:47 pm

ROTFLMAO

Bees should arrive April 5th. I smell a pre NFL-Draft report live from the beeyard.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:35 pm

That will create quite a buzz.





























Look, someone had too.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:41 pm

troll

I giggled.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:28 pm

I groaned


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:11 am

I cried.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:54 am

I threw up in my mouth.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:25 am

I threw up in Jon's mouth too.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:26 am

Decatur Demons wrote:
I threw up in Jon's mouth too.



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:31 am

Joe!


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:42 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
Decatur Demons wrote:
I threw up in Jon's mouth too.



surprised2 sick


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:30 pm

Wait, is that Justin's fetish, or Bob's?

Fuck it, you can both have a go if you like.

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:00 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:

ROFL


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:48 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:

FYI, my wife says you're Gay. She loves Glee too.

Actually, it was; "Oh, is he Gay?" The answer; "Yes."

She is sending you Gleek info.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:55 pm

I really wish I could take credit for that but I've never seen an episode of Glee. I Google image searched "My Body Is Ready gif" and tried to find the gayest one that I could. This is it Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:58 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
I really wish I could take credit for that but I've never seen an every episode of Glee.  I Google image searched "My Body Is Ready gif" and tried to find the gayest one that I could.  This is it Laughing

Fixed it


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:15 pm

I'm trying to think of something GAYER than Glee that I watch. Trying.

Hmmm

Oh I know...



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:05 pm

Laughing

Africanized bees are no fun.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:06 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
Laughing

Africanized All bees are no fun.  

And fixed that for you...

cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:15 pm

Alrighty so I realize I haven't posted an update in awhile so here we go!


I joined the Sussex County Beekeeper's Association with my wife and have since attended our first meeting with the club and attended their two-day Beekeeping course (where I didn't really learn too much after all the reading I've done but I had a ton of fun.) I've met lots of great people and already made some awesome friends.

So far I'm into this Hobby for $1,682.75 and I'm not done yet. I live in Northern New Jersey so I'm in black bear country and it has been soundly pounded into my head that No Electric Fence = No Bees.

Fun fact - The bears aren't after the honey when they attack beehives. They want the protein from the bees and larva. The honey is just a bonus.

So I'm looking at another $250-$300 for the fence. You bait the fence with bacon so the bears lick it when they get close and get zapped. They could walk right through the damn thing with how thick their hair / fur is.

So what did I buy for all that money? I've got enough supplies for three complete hives (Two brood boxes and two honey supers per hive,) entrance reducers for each hive (which helps protect it while the hive is weak,) top feeders for each hive (so I can feed them sugar water,) bee suits, hats and gloves, various pest control products (Varroa mites were introduced in the 80's from Asia unintentionally and have really hurt our bees) a smoker, smoker fuel, hive tool, bee brush, mouse guards for winter, protein patties, varroa traps & stick boards, exterior paint, wood glue, my beekeeping club dues and class, and two packages of bees.

So I have two packages coming in the mail and three hives. So if one hive looks like it's going to swarm I can just split the hive and start the third without actually needing to buy more bees. So that's pretty cool.

I have half of the assembly of my hives done. I need to wrap that up and still paint everything. Beyond that I still need to figure out where in my yard I'm going to put these damn things. I have a soccer field behind my house so I don't want to put it too close to that and on the other side is my neighbors outdoor patio and grill, so I'm sort of stuck. I really wish I had more property right now.

I could always keep them on one of my uncle's farms but I want them local for now at least. Decisions...


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:19 pm

Oh and I'm keeping such careful track of all my spending so I know when I've broken even from my honey sales. Things I still need to buy are that Electric Fence (plus the wire, posts, etc.) and for 2016 some honey processing equipment (bottles, buckets, extruders, etc.). Extruders run anywhere from $200 to $5000+ depending on what size you get. The club rents theirs out for just $5. May go that route instead of buying my own.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:26 pm

You should go the $5,000 extruder route.   Go big or go home Pullis.  geesh. Rent one for $5. What? YOu want them to know you're an amateur??? cmon man. I thought you were serious about this.


YES YES YES


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:40 pm

I will probably end up buying my own but the $5,000 one is for commercial beekeepers. Maybe one day but certainly not now Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:06 pm

So you think you'll break even in honey sales before you die of old age?

If the bees don't get you first...?

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:11 pm

I'll get between 75 and 200lbs of honey per hive per year (depending on how good of a year it is.)

Lets go low end and say 100lbs of honey per hive per year.

First year would be 200lbs of honey (not counting any wax, propolis, bee, royal jelly etc. collection)

Going rate for a pound (16oz) of local honey is $8-$12. Let's say $10.

First year would be $2,000 in honey.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:14 pm

Cool - much better return than I thought.

Who do you sell it too? Is there some sort of outlet for selling honey? If the bees don't kill you first?



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:21 pm

England Dragons wrote:
Cool - much better return than I thought.

Who do you sell it too? Is there some sort of outlet for selling honey? If the bees don't kill you first?


You'd be surprised how quickly this shit sells. I could go to the local farmer's markets but I don't think I'll have to (at least not for now.) My mother-in-law loves honey and said she'll buy every bottle I make. I don't think she realizes just how much honey that is Laughing My office would buy a ton though and I have a few family members that will probably want to take some to work to sell off too.

I realistically think it'll take two seasons to recoup my total initial investment since I'll be spending more between now and then and I'm sure I'll give some away too.

I really just want to break even. Not in it to make a bunch of cash.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:32 pm

I can just see you turning up at your mother-in-laws with a car full of the stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:08 pm

Justin wrote:
I really just want to break even. Not in it to make a bunch of cash.

I apologize if I missed this earlier, but after your initial investment, wouldn't you be pretty much expense free? Even if it takes two year's to recoup your startup expenses through sales, wouldn't year 3 thru X be straight profit?

I am interested to see you accomplish this.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:28 am

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You should go the $5,000 extruder route.   Go big or go home Pullis.  geesh.   Rent one for $5.  What?  YOu want them to know you're an amateur???  cmon man.  I thought you were serious about this.


YES YES YES

This made me laughing

Love hearing the updates Justin. Forgot how much yard you had...if I were the neighbor I would be very interested in where you were putting your damn project. A bear could be the least of your problems...


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:36 am

@Greg - Yes and no. Parts break, I'll always need to buy more bottles and labels for honey, and I'll always need to buy more pesticides. It's not a huge yearly overhead but it's something. Plus the inevitable adding of more hives!

@Andy - There's literally nothing any neighbors can do about it. I made damn sure of that before I did it. Beekeeping is encouraged on a federal, state and town level. It's important for the environment.

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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:31 pm

It's taking me so much longer to paint all this equipment than I thought it would but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. Getting there!


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:09 am

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
It's taking me so much longer to paint all this equipment than I thought it would but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now.  Getting there!

You could have just bought a pink suit, man.  No need to paint it yourself. laughing



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:47 am

The hives you silly bitch! I have a nice pastel red, blue and yellow. Red is done, blue is almost done, just yellow left. Then, if I feel ambitious, I can make little designs on each hive.


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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:08 pm

The hives are painted!



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PostSubject: Re: Beekeeping   Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:23 pm

Cannot wait to see what they look like when the bears are done with them...

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