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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:56 am

I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:23 am

Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Oh I totally agree. Playing in the NFL is a privelage, and a lot of these idiots don't treat it that way. Set a firm line and you protect the view of the brand.
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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:00 pm

Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Isn't he getting a 19 game suspension?


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:23 am

Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Regardless of what you think of Hardy, he doesn't have a current case, he HAD a domestic violence case last year ... He already sat out all but one game last season... He was never convicted as the case was dropped without ever going to trial... So, the question we should be asking is why the hell is he even suspended at all this season?


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:27 am

Morrison Minions wrote:
Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Isn't he getting a 19 game suspension?

Yes, 15 games last year plus 4 games this year... That is 19 games for a case that was dropped and he was never convicted for... scratch


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:57 am

Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
Morrison Minions wrote:
Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Isn't he getting a 19 game suspension?

Yes,   15 games last year plus 4 games this year...   That is 19 games for a case that was dropped and he was never convicted for...   scratch

I mean, he was paid for all those games last year, but still I think it's insane for a case that was dropped. Punishing people for crimes they weren't convicted of seems sort of insane to me.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:29 pm

Yeah he is totally innocent


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:20 pm

There was a civil settlement right?


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:44 pm

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
Morrison Minions wrote:
Littleton SilverBallers wrote:
I don't think they should have reduced his suspension, but that's just me.  If you have a domestic violence case, you should be suspended for half the season at minimum.  I have no care for people like this

Isn't he getting a 19 game suspension?

Yes,   15 games last year plus 4 games this year...   That is 19 games for a case that was dropped and he was never convicted for...   scratch

I mean, he was paid for all those games last year, but still I think it's insane for a case that was dropped.  Punishing people for crimes they weren't convicted of seems sort of insane to me.

Wasn't it dropped b/c he paid the victim? I mean, settled his civil suit with her which then precipitated her "forgetting" the events in question?


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:58 pm

Just because he settled doesn't make him guilty either though. It was probably worth whatever he paid just to get it over with. shrug


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:46 pm

There is a really good chance that all his ex-girlfriend was looking for was a payday in the first place... once she got that she disappeared... Not so sure that was just a coincedence...


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:08 pm

Hardy was convicted by a judge in his original trial at which the ex-girlfriend testified. He then requested a jury trial (which is his right) at which time his ex-girlfriend became uncooperative.

So a judge thought her testimony was convincing enough to convict. And then Hardy just threw enough money around to avoid jail. This is what happens when you're rich.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:57 pm

San Francisco Golddiggers wrote:
Hardy was convicted by a judge in his original trial at which the ex-girlfriend testified. He then requested a jury trial (which is his right) at which time his ex-girlfriend became uncooperative.

So a judge thought her testimony was convincing enough to convict. And then Hardy just threw enough money around to avoid jail. This is what happens when you're rich.

This is not accurate... He was found "guilty" at a pre-trial, he was not convicted... All the pre-trial charge meant was that the case was set to go to an actual criminal trial, but that never happened due to the girlfriend disappearing... This was all discussed earlier in this thread, but it is an important distinction to make as he was never convicted in a criminal trial...


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:10 am

San Francisco Golddiggers wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000365428/article/greg-hardy-found-guilty-of-assault-on-a-female

That is sloppy reporting (as most of the reports on Hardy's case has been). Most people don't understand the differences with how cases are handled in North Carolina. See this link: http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/how-does-the-criminal-justice-system-work-in-north-carolina-

Hardy had a bench trial in district court where he was found "guilty". A bench trial in NC is essentially a pre trial, all it does is determine whether or not there is probable cause to believe the defendant committed the offense they are accused of. If the felony defendant loses the preliminary hearing, the District Court orders that the defendant stand trial in Superior Court and the case is transferred there. Hardy did not request a jury trial, it was mandated by the preliminary bench trial, and while he was awaiting his case to move to Superior court the ex GF went AWOL and the case broke down... Once the Superior court case was dead due to the plaintiff no longer cooperating, the bench trial ruling was also overturned... Therefore essentially the case never went to trial (for criminal charges) and Hardy was not convicted of any crime...

The reporting on this case has been sloppy as hell and obviously written by folks who have no idea of the distinctions with how cases are processed in NC.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:35 am

Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
San Francisco Golddiggers wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000365428/article/greg-hardy-found-guilty-of-assault-on-a-female

That is sloppy reporting (as most of the reports on Hardy's case has been).    Most people don't understand the differences with how cases are handled in North Carolina.   See this link:   http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/how-does-the-criminal-justice-system-work-in-north-carolina-

Hardy had a bench trial in district court where he was found "guilty".    A bench trial in NC  is essentially a pre trial,   all it does is determine whether or not there is probable cause to believe the defendant committed the offense they are accused of.   If the felony defendant loses the preliminary hearing, the District Court orders that the defendant stand trial in Superior Court and the case is transferred there.   Hardy did not request a jury trial,   it was mandated by the preliminary bench trial,   and while he was awaiting his case to move to Superior court the ex GF went AWOL and the case broke down...   Once the Superior court case was dead due to the plaintiff no longer cooperating,  the bench trial ruling was also overturned...   Therefore essentially the case never went to trial  (for criminal charges)   and Hardy was not convicted of any crime...  

The reporting on this case has been sloppy as hell and obviously written by folks who have no idea of the distinctions with how cases are processed in NC.  

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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:23 am

Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
San Francisco Golddiggers wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000365428/article/greg-hardy-found-guilty-of-assault-on-a-female

That is sloppy reporting (as most of the reports on Hardy's case has been).    Most people don't understand the differences with how cases are handled in North Carolina.   See this link:   http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/how-does-the-criminal-justice-system-work-in-north-carolina-

Hardy had a bench trial in district court where he was found "guilty".    A bench trial in NC  is essentially a pre trial,   all it does is determine whether or not there is probable cause to believe the defendant committed the offense they are accused of.   If the felony defendant loses the preliminary hearing, the District Court orders that the defendant stand trial in Superior Court and the case is transferred there.   Hardy did not request a jury trial,   it was mandated by the preliminary bench trial,   and while he was awaiting his case to move to Superior court the ex GF went AWOL and the case broke down...   Once the Superior court case was dead due to the plaintiff no longer cooperating,  the bench trial ruling was also overturned...   Therefore essentially the case never went to trial  (for criminal charges)   and Hardy was not convicted of any crime...  

The reporting on this case has been sloppy as hell and obviously written by folks who have no idea of the distinctions with how cases are processed in NC.  

DTO is right regarding the procedural issues here.

However, the ex going AWOL is not necessarily accurate. Hardy paid her not to continue with the case.

What surprises me is that the prosecution did not continue with the case since they had witness (victim, Hardy, neighbors, friends of victim) statements and photographic evidence of her assault. Perhaps the prosecution felt that without her to explain the pictures and without her to explain her statement that it was a losing case or maybe Hardy's call to 911 that she was hitting him would lead to reasonable doubt; I don't know.

Many folks, not DTO in this instance, claim that not convicted = innocent. Acquitted and/or dismissal of the case does not equal innocent. He absolutely beat/hit her. Her statements (and IIRC his statements) and the photos illustrate/validate the violence.

Domestic violence in this country is one of the least reported and/or prosecuted cases there is. If I had a daughter there's no way in hell I'd want her within a country mile of him.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:37 am

I don't believe his case was ever upgraded to a felony so shouldn't this apply?
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Misdemeanor Cases
For misdemeanor cases, the District Court has exclusive "original" jurisdiction, which means that all misdemeanor crimes are tried initially in District Court (unless the misdemeanor was committed as part of the same act as a felony, in which case both are tried together in Superior Court). A criminal trial in District Court is always a "bench trial." However, because the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees a person charged with a crime the right to be tried by a jury, a defendant convicted of a misdemeanor in District Court has the right to appeal his conviction to the Superior Court for a new trial (essentially starting over) in which the trial must be before a jury. If a defendant pleads guilty to a low-level felony in District Court and appeals the judgment, there is no new trial in Superior Court. Because the plea is treated as if it had been done in Superior Court, any appeal from the judgment goes to the appellate division.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:15 am

Sanibel Gadabouts wrote:
Many folks, not DTO in this instance, claim that not convicted = innocent.  Acquitted and/or dismissal of the case does not equal innocent. He absolutely beat/hit her.  Her statements (and IIRC his statements) and the photos illustrate/validate the violence.

Domestic violence in this country is one of the least reported and/or prosecuted cases there is.  If I had a daughter there's no way in hell I'd want her within a country mile of him.

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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:23 am

Well I am sure there is alot more nuance behind this entire situation than we will ever know... I am not saying that he is necessarily innocent, nor am I saying that he is definitely guilty (I believe the relationship with the GF was 'toxic' and she probably wasn't a completely innocent victim in the ordeal)... Either way, technically Hardy is not "convicted", regardless of how he got there and serving 19 games suspended in the NFL seems like more than enough time to be served, it actually seems a little excessive...


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:55 am

You and I will just have to disagree on his conviction.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:40 pm

Jesus.

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Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reported Cowboys DE Greg Hardy is considering an appeal of his four-game suspension in the wake of Tom Brady's appeal win.

Hardy saw his 10-game suspension reduced to four games in July, but he still feels hard done after being forced to sit out all but one game last year. Brady's win in federal court could give Hardy the confidence to seek out a similar result. If Hardy can earn a stay, the Cowboys' defensive line will be a position of strength entering the season.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:54 pm

Come on Greg - let's go 2 for 2 for the Dragons!

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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:49 pm

Honestly, Hardy has a much better case for having his suspension lifted than that fucking little cunt Brady ever had... Fuck Goodell...


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:38 pm

Photos came out today of his former girlfriend's injuries after the assault. And, you know, now that people can see the pictures they are freaking out. Because just knowing it happened wasn't enough. Curious how the NFL/Cowboys respond


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:20 pm

Looks like the victim of a wrestling match. Not good, but nothing like that porn star that got beat down by her MMA boyfriend.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:03 pm

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Photos came out today of his former girlfriend's injuries after the assault.  And, you know, now that people can see the pictures they are freaking out.  Because just knowing it happened wasn't enough.  Curious how the NFL/Cowboys respond

I'm surprised too.  

I think people don't want to face domestic violence head on and pretend that this huge dude didn't do thaaaat much.   Whatever.  I hope he gets even more public shaming for his behavior.  

Funny how his talent level dictates another contract, but Ray Rice's talent level does not.  One is a pariah and the other is excused as not being that bad.

Hardy is a douche, but as Jerry Jones said he's a "real leader"


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:22 pm

Time to admit I was wrong. Damn.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:28 pm

I think you're right, Brad. People don't want to face it head on so they pick out some television personality like Hardy to pretend to take a stand against. We're surrounded by these sub-humans. As far as public shaming goes, it would be much more effective to go after the guy that lives down the street or that I work with in my opinion. Easy to bitch about this guy that no fans will ever interact with directly and then suck ball sacks into abdomens when the shit is happening next door.

Nay to public shaming. Yay to firing his fucking ass. The NFL is not competent enough to police morals so they should stay out of it, but they did get it right with Rice in my opinion. They are lucky to somehow have the right to do shit like that.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:47 am

If a player is good enough to help a team win, then once he's served his NFL punishment, he's going to be on a team.

If a player's not good enough to help a team win, no team will want to take the grief they get for having that player on their team.

If Hardy was an average DE, he'd be unemployed right now. Jerry Jones has already spoken up and said that nothing is going to be done. They knew what they were taking on - even though they weren't allowed to see the pictures when they signed him - and they are giving him a 'second chance in life'.

And that's because they think he can be a difference maker and help them win football games.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:10 pm

According to Richardson City Jail spokesman Tim Weed, FA DE Greg Hardy was arrested Sunday for possession of a Group 1 controlled substance


Hahahaha. What a loser


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:16 pm

I've been on the cusp of dropping him for a long time. That'd be the final straw.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:02 pm

The baggie of cocaine found in his wallet was not his. According to him, he was at the bar buying drinks and passing his wallet around. Somebody must have placed it in there. rofl rofl

One of the better excuses I've heard. ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:42 pm

Tim Weed. Too bad it was coke and not marijuana.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:00 pm

Let this be a lesson to all the players on Justin's roster. Beat all the women you want, but if your friend puts some coke in your wallet, you're DONE


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:13 pm

Dammit, that is not a good friend....

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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:37 pm

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Let this be a lesson to all the players on Justin's roster.  Beat all the women you want, but if your friend puts some coke in your wallet, you're DONE

lol 2

He's not a monster Matt. He's got standards. geesh.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:54 am

Whiskey Creek Gadabouts wrote:
Philadelphia Pigskins wrote:
Let this be a lesson to all the players on Justin's roster.  Beat all the women you want, but if your friend puts some coke in your wallet, you're DONE

lol 2

He's not a monster Matt. He's got standards. geesh.


In the end if you're already on my roster and I can't trade them for jack shit I'll just ride them into the ground.


Well, we finally found the ground.


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:55 am

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The baggie of cocaine found in his wallet was not his.  According to him, he was at the bar buying drinks and passing his wallet around.  Somebody must have placed it in there.

This dude can't even lie worth a shit. First off, who passes their wallet around anywhere let alone a bar? Secondly, who the fuck is giving away free blow? What an anus!

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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:17 am

What a fucking piece of despicable shit! Dumbass!


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:58 am

Mohawk Ridge Marauders wrote:
Whiskey Creek Gadabouts wrote:
Philadelphia Pigskins wrote:
Let this be a lesson to all the players on Justin's roster.  Beat all the women you want, but if your friend puts some coke in your wallet, you're DONE

lol 2

He's not a monster Matt. He's got standards. geesh.


In the end if you're already on my roster and I can't trade them for jack shit I'll just ride them into the ground.


Well, we finally found the ground.

Why Justin finally released Hardy:



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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:45 am

Nevada NightHawks wrote:


ROTFLMAO

Nice touch Bern...


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:31 am

Funny stuff!


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PostSubject: Re: Greg Hardy DE FA   Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:37 am

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