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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed May 07, 2014 4:18 pm

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The NFL Players Association has filed a grievance on behalf of New Orleans Saints franchise free-agent TE Jimmy Graham in regards to his tender offer. The NFLPA believes that Graham should be categorized as a wide receiver and not as a tight end. An independent arbitrator would hear the case if the two sides are not able to reach an agreement.

We knew this was coming.

Won't happen. Too much precedent. Sharpe and Gonzo immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are quite a few more.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed May 07, 2014 4:24 pm

This is stupid... He isn't a WR, he is a TE, just because he isn't relied on for blocking and he lines up in different spots outside of the line (which is common for many TEs) it shouldn't change his position designation. He lines up the slot and typically draws coverage from a CB3, a S or a LB... if he actually lined up outside and drew coverage from a CB1 or 2 it wouldn't be pretty... we all saw the game where Aquib Talib shadowed him the entire game, he was shut down completely... he isn't a WR and shouldn't be paid like one...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed May 07, 2014 4:26 pm

Can't blame the guy, he wants paid. I understand that. Now, what happens next year?


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed May 07, 2014 4:33 pm

Can't blame Graham but gotta hope this works out sensibly.

If they do re-categorise him as a WR then the fantasy impact is pretty big. You'd guess others will follow, depending on how they rule what determines if a TE is a TE or a WR.



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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed May 07, 2014 4:35 pm

That's why it will never happen. he's just trying for the cash and WTH, worth a shot.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:06 pm

(RotoWire)Graham will remain a tight end for franchise tag purposes following a ruling by third party arbitrator Stephen Burbank, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reports.
Analysis: Graham had filed a grievance via the NFL Players Association on May 7, indicating that he had been incorrectly given a tight end franchise tag (rather than the more lucrative wide receiver tag) by the NFL Management Council. With the ruling, Graham's franchise tag calls for a $7.035 million salary this coming season. The next step here figures to involve the Saints and Graham trying to get a long-term contract done before the July 15 deadline to do so. In any case, Graham remains atop our tight end rankings on the heels of a 2013 season in which he recorded 86 catches for 1,215 yards and 16 TDs.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:25 pm

Was there any doubt that he was going to remain a tight end?


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:26 pm

Glad they got this one right... This would have set a bad precedent for the NFL and would have caused issues with fantasy football.

The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place, that is stupid. Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that for the franchise tag cost. Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those... That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position, and it is lucrative, so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

I get why teams pay different positions differently, but if a certain player is the 'franchise' player meaning he is one of the most important players on the team (regardless of position) he should get paid a fair amount in relation to all the top salaries (regardless of position).


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:59 pm

Now the Saints (after winning this battle of the cunts) need to step up and do the right thing and pay the man more than the dumb tag amount since he is the best.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:10 am

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The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's. The tag would be way too high. Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions. You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation. If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...). What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:37 am

Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

I mostly agree but your analogy breaks down because the intention of the franchise tag is to help a team keep there best players, the janitor would never qualify for that. The problem is teams use it also as a way of keeping "non vital" positions at a cheap rate / short term contract.
(also because companies don't have a salary cap...)


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:04 pm

Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

All I really want to hear is:

"You were right Bob."



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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:08 pm

janitors are people too and deserve a better wage by and large ... on the flip side, a great many "executives" are grossly overpaid twats... That is for a different post altogether...

I didn't say I had the solution to the franchise tag issue, but that I believe there has to be a better way overall to structure it. The current system has some real issues... which were part of this whole ridiculous psuedo controversy in the first place...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:12 pm

Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

Still waiting................................


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:21 pm

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Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

Still waiting................................
Is this directed at Jason or myself?


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:30 pm

Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
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Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

Still waiting................................
Is this directed at Jason or myself?

Oh, it's only for my little buddy Jason.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:32 pm

Okay,  I thought so,  I didn't recall disagreeing with you in this particular thread.   Just thought I would ask though...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:39 pm

Decatur Demons wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
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The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

Still waiting................................
Is this directed at Jason or myself?

Oh, it's only for my little buddy Jason.

Still waiting for what? If you're claiming that I said that I was certain that Graham was going to win his suit, you are sorely mistaken. A matter of fact, I said it numerous times that I didn't know how it would end up but if he won his case, there was a good chance he would have had his positional eligibility changed to WR. Are you really claiming that you knew with 100% certainty that Graham would lose his suit, when the rest of the air breathing world didn't know? lol


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:42 pm

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Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
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The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

I mostly agree but your analogy breaks down because the intention of the franchise tag is to help a team keep there best players, the janitor would never qualify for that. The problem is teams use it also as a way of keeping "non vital" positions at a cheap rate / short term contract.
(also because companies don't have a salary cap...)

Your "cheap rate" is still top money at their respected positions. The per year salary of football players are almost always lower than the tagged price, since the goal is to get as much of a signing bonus as you can. In general, the larger the signing bonus, the less the annual salary. Players can somewhat imagine that being tagged is like getting a large signing bonus and then being able to hit the FA market again the following year and receiving yet another signing bonus. Players want large signing bonus' and long term contracts with the ability to renegotiate at the first sign of them outplaying their deal. They want their cake and eat it to.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:20 pm

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Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
Decatur Demons wrote:
Chicago Crime Syndicate wrote:
Devils Tower Outlaws wrote:
The NFL shouldn't have franchise tags paid out based on your position in the first place,  that is stupid.   Why can't they just take something like the average of highest paid players at every position or something like that  for the franchise tag cost.   Or they take the average of the top 10 players at each position and then average those...   That way the cost for a franchise tag is consistent across any position,   and it is lucrative,   so you would avoid this kind of thing all together.

Then you might as well dissolve the tags altogether because no team is going to agree to pay a safety the average of the top 10 players across all positions that include QB's.  The tag would be way too high.  Likewise, the NFLPA would never agree to that as the tag for skill positions would tumble when you include the top 10 salaries for non-skill positions.  You may want to argue not to have tags, but that is a different conversation.  If they have tags, they are doing it the right way by the pay being determined by your job (QB to QB, HB to HB, DT to DT etc...).  What you're suggesting is like paying an account executive the same as the janitor within the same company.

Still waiting................................
Is this directed at Jason or myself?

Oh, it's only for my little buddy Jason.

Still waiting for what?  If you're claiming that I said that I was certain that Graham was going to win his suit, you are sorely mistaken.  A matter of fact, I said it numerous times that I didn't know how it would end up but if he won his case, there was a good chance he would have had his positional eligibility changed to WR.  Are you really claiming that you knew with 100% certainty that Graham would lose his suit, when the rest of the air breathing world didn't know?  lol

Yup. Pretty sure I made that clear.

And you kept saying, subtly I admit, how stupid I was.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:00 am

I'm glad that you couldn't find any evidence that I said Graham would win the appeal with 100% certainty and I also don't remember calling you stupid.  So let me revisit the thread and find out.

As far as the stupid comment...it never happened. Never called you stupid or dumb or anything of the like. The closest I got was telling you that you are missing my point. You did, multiple times and continue to do so, but I never called you stupid.

As far as your claim that I stated that I knew (or even had the opinion) that Graham was going to win, that never happened either. Here are the copy/pastes of what I did say:

"I have no idea if he'll win his appeal"
"I don't claim to know what the decision will be"
"I never said that Graham is going to win his appeal"
"I never said Graham was going to win"
"I'm not contending anything"

If you're asking yourself why I had to repeat myself 5 times in that thread it's because you kept pressing the issue that I am saying Graham would win, when I never said that.  Now you come in this thread telling to get on my knees for something I never said.  Stop trolling bro.

You weren't 100% on anything man  No matter how much you want to convince yourself that you knew the outcome before it was rendered, that's total hogwash.

What is funny, however, is that I said the following in my last post in that thread:

"Let's revisit afterwards when Graham loses and you come on here to say "I told you so" when I never said Graham would win.  Congrats dude, you're a winner! "

And what did you do?  Yup, came into this thread spreading your wings with an "I told you so".  You're so predictable.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:17 pm

You're right. I never once said 100% it wouldn't happen

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The NFL Players Association has filed a grievance on behalf of New Orleans Saints franchise free-agent TE Jimmy Graham in regards to his tender offer. The NFLPA believes that Graham should be categorized as a wide receiver and not as a tight end. An independent arbitrator would hear the case if the two sides are not able to reach an agreement.

We knew this was coming.

Won't happen. Too much precedent. Sharpe and Gonzo immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are quite a few more.

Wait, I guess I did say 100% that it wouldn't happen. Of course, I could list numerous comments you made in the other thread "The change may be comin'"

I will agree, you did give a couple of small caveats that you weren't saying it 100%

I listed all sorts of reason's that it wouldn't happen, you kept saying I made no sense, one small excerpt:

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Never going to happen. He's nowhere near the first TE to line up as he does. Shannon and, early on, Gonzo did it too. There are a lot of other examples. He was drafted as a TE, has had the designation. The only reason he is fighting it is for WR Franchise money.

This makes almost less sense than Jason1's argument (sorry, J  vote yes ).  Comparing him to Sterling/Shannon Sharpe or Gonzo is completely meaningless.  For starters, the Sharpe's nor Gonzo ever challenged their positional eligibility.  Perhaps because they were never franchised tagged or perhaps they were just nice guys.  So the fact that other guys existed in the past that played a similar role is rendered moot.  

You made many references to everything I brought up, in your normal way, about how none of it was right, wouldn't have any bearing, I was wrong. I made no sense, etc. Whatever dood. I'll leave it at that.

Yet, I'm the one that's predictable.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:31 am

Got a deal done. Sounds like roughly 10m a year.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:47 am

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Updating earlier reports, the New Orleans Saints signed TE Jimmy Graham to a four-year, $40 million deal with $21 million guaranteed, according to a source familiar with the deal.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:37 am

fun dance 


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:55 am

Congratulations to Jimmy! Glad the Saints didn't do some horseshit where they lowball their best player. But now I wonder why the fuck we had to endure the last 2 months or whatever of hearings.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:16 am

wonder if they will go through this again in 4 years


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:48 am

Hopefully this stupid argument of what makes a TE a TE or what makes a WR a WR will be put to rest before we have to deal another silly case like the Graham case...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:42 pm

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Hopefully this stupid argument of what makes a TE a TE or what makes a WR a WR will be put to rest before we have to deal another silly case like the Graham case...

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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:14 pm

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Updating a previous report, the injury for New Orleans Saints TE Jimmy Graham (shoulder) is not believed to be serious, according to a league source. The team is heading into a bye, but it is still unclear if he will be able to return Oct. 19 when the team faces the Detroit Lions in Week 7.

Shoulder sprain but doesn't sound too bad. Bet he's back.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:00 pm

bang head on wall


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:40 am

Twitter is saying Jimbo Graham is going to miss 2-3 weeks after the bye due to the shoulder strain.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:37 am

You tell twitter to shut it's whore mouth


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:12 am

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Jimmy Graham, after upgrading to his new franchise is finally going to be cared for properly. The Eternals medical staff is ensuring he will be in the best situation to make an impact going forward for the team that has high hopes of kicking everyone in the fucking flat patch between their legs starting in 2015.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:38 pm

This is from Ian Rappaport so it's legit:

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The #Saints have called around, open to shopping many of their players, source say. One notable player included: TE Jimmy Graham. For real.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:43 pm

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

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The Saints and Seahawks are trying to finalize trade Jimmy Graham and a 4th rounder for Max Unger and Seattle first rounder


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:45 pm

no kidding... was just going to post that Jay Glazer quote... F it.. I already copied it... haha

@JayGlazer: Saints and Seahawks are trying to finalize trade Jimmy Graham and 4th rounder for Max Unger and Seattle first rounder

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 34s34 seconds ago
#Saints have a deal. They’re working out the logistics of sending TE Jimmy Graham & 4th to #Seahawks for Unger & 1st (@JayGlazer noted 1st)


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:57 pm

Jimmy Graham is changing Zip Codes. He might get a ring soon


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:10 pm

The deal is done. Whoa.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:15 pm

Unbelievable... Don't they still have to sign Wilson this year too


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Wowza - this has been the craziest FA period ever

They don't HAVE to sign Wilson since he has 1yr left on his deal but clearly he's not playing on that...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:18 pm

Sucks for Willsssson the TE, lolz


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:42 pm

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Will be interesting to see if it helps or hurts his FF value. I can see having a great running game upping his value, but, I can see Wilson vs. Bres as hurting his value.

Little shocked by it. The Saints are now well on their way to being the Aints again. I still remember all of the grocery bags on fans heads during Saints games. The "Unknown Fan" is going to make a big comeback at this rate.




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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:15 pm

Big uptick for Wilson, small down tick for Jimmy.

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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:27 pm

Significant downgrade for Graham and probably Brees, pending what they do the rest of FA and the draft. I don't see a massive offensive philosophy change to the point where Graham is going to be able to put up big numbers. They just paid Lynch too. And they traded a 1st for Harvin and didn't really end up using him at all really.

I like what SEA is doing, just not a great fantasy situation for Graham IMO.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:32 pm

For being in cap hell, I think the Saints did pretty well here, by the way. They got someone who is by all accounts a solid starter when healthy for the offensive line, and a 1st round pick (albeit a late one). You don't seem teams get value like that for shipping players out that often. Like Brandon Marshall for a 5th (I know he's older, but still).


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:41 pm

Brees must be pissed...


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:11 pm

Too early to revaluate "the trade"?


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:00 pm

This really makes me regret trading Colston. Only reason I did was because of Graham and Cooks. Colston should start getting looks again.


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PostSubject: Re: Jimmy Graham TE SEA   Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:09 pm

Really glad Matt didn't take me up on my AJ Green offer.


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